Re: Isolate noise from CNC limit switches, Quote from: mc on May 08, 2015, 06:17:45 pm, Quote from: rob77 on May 08, 2015, 06:46:57 pm, Quote from: mc on May 08, 2015, 06:51:54 pm, Quote from: rob77 on May 08, 2015, 06:55:39 pm, Quote from: moffy on May 09, 2015, 01:10:47 am, Quote from: moffy on May 09, 2015, 01:34:13 am, Quote from: Richard Crowley on May 09, 2015, 04:19:35 am, Quote from: Richard Crowley on May 09, 2015, 05:47:07 pm, Quote from: Richard Crowley on May 09, 2015, 06:41:18 pm. Your level of help is exceptional and i cant tell you how much i appreciate it. The Y axis very often stops before reaching the limit switch - due mainly (I think) to noise in the system. Each that I added reduced the noise BUT lifting the ground on my electronics and running the power from a separate breaker fixed it all. Low pass noise filters: These will primarily be of use on limit switches and other connections that don’t need to respond blindingly quickly. Best of luck with your projects. For each of these sets, the upper pin is active; it is connected to a port of the microprocessor on the controller board and pulled to +5 volts with a resistor. ... another question i have is about homing. note the pins from the 3 orange wires are bent over to meet the pins from the socket two holes over. It provides an easy way to limit noise from getting into your GRBLDuino or other CNC controller. When you hit a limit switch, the limit switch connects/shorts this pin to ground causing the voltage on this pin to rapidly drop from High State (5V) to Low State (0V/GND). (With NO Mode), The X Controller is just an Arduino at heart, and Arduino is Just an Atmel 328P microcontroller. Properly connected limit switches can significantly increase the reliability of the GRBL - the microcontroller pins connected to the switches are very vulnerable to any noise. This seems to be a fairly common issue among grbl users when wiring the limit switch signal wires directly to the Arduino. Shouldn't it be pins number 9,10,12 in grbl 1.1? So it doesn't seem like a noise issue, but I'm gonna put some caps on the lines just to see if that helps. You don't need to find a 5V source to connect anything unless you are looking to add an extra pull-up resistor in which case you can see I have added this to your X circuit. Limit switches board V3 GRBL V1.1. Once successful if you feel the need, go back and use some of this theory to change over to NC, or move on to making sawdust instead! IE requiring a strong pull-down like being shorted to ground by you’re limit switch being pressed. However, I believe that you can go to the machine inspector and dump out the grbl parameters. I salvaged some .47uf caps from an old circuit board and used them on an Arduino proto board to filter my homing / limit stops, hold, probe, etc. (this is not a waste of power / creator of heat, capacitors average consumption not add) The internal pull ups will ensure that the cap cant draw to much current on initial charge from the atmega pins so there is no safety issue for the arduino. The homing/limit switch setup is down at the grbl level, assuming that you are using the Arduino/gShield electronics. If wiring NC, you need the switches in series otherwise if in parallel they would both need to be tripped at once which won't happen as they are likely on opposite sides of the machine;) Wiring in parallel is for NO only. 1 is ground, its green in my photos. All of them connect to a set of these header pins. The filter I have discussed to this point is simply a cap, which is not technically the way it should be done. Each Stepper Motor Driver needs to be connected to the following pins:. It's most simple to wire in PARALLEL in the NO config and forget the filter caps. The other resistor that’s found in circuits discussing limit errors the one in series with the cap that forms part of a real RC filter. The machine doesn't know or care that there are two or that one of them is at each end of the machine, grbl just gets a notification for a limit on that axis and stops. What you need to do is enable $20 and then adjust $130, $131, and $132 so grbl knows haw far the X, Y, and Z axes can travel from home. This is why we need to filter the limit switch lines. Ill try to explain more later ... normally closed with improoved noise filtering. This has been a whole new ballgame for me usin grbl, I do have a larger CNC which runs under Mach3 and a HobbyCNC Controller which I put together about 5 years ago. For Shapeokos I have found that a .47uf is perfect in all instances. Hi, I'm running my CNC using GRBL on an Arduino Uno. Then turning on Verbose logging (checkbox) on UGS. So regardless where the noise is coming from, it's getting into your limit switch lines and swinging the voltage around enough that it drops below the low-level logic threshold of 0.8V at which point the GRBL software thinks you have hit a limit switch. Other items in the vicinity such as power tools, sump pumps, fluorescent lights etc. A simple circuit using a 47 ohm pull-up resistor to 5V should present such a low impedance that should make it immune to any kind of induced noise possible from such a relatively low-power system. Have a great weekend and many, many thanks. We are expecting 5V on these lines, but use a 16V or 25V cap for reasons you can google – capacitor de rating. Damn another unfortunate thing cause you need it. waste & heat. *bonus points – wire signal to common, NC to ground, and NO to 5V. 47uF capacitor could probably mess things up. There is 5V already present on these lines. To make it clean, get a blank arduino uno prototyping board and install the caps and limit switch inputs to that, then insert that between the arduino and the gshield or what ever stepper shield you are using. It also importantly needs to be small enough that the pull-up resistors can charge it quickly! 1 year ago. Enable homing by setting $21=1. For Grbl systems, you can use a protoshield like the one here or one of many others found online. The larger the cap you use the more important it is to have a resistor managing the flow of current too or from it to ensure you don’t damage the rest of the system or the cap. It would have optocouplers to isolate the limit switches. Regarding Normally Open (NO) vs Normally Closed (NC), see the limit switch section on this page: https://3dtek.xyz/pages/grblaio. The take advantage of the homing switches on your Shapeoko CNC router, homing will need to be enabled in the machine control software Carbide Motion. I had similar issues on a 3D printer (reprap). It's most simple to wire in series in the NO config and forget the filter caps, however, there is about a 100% chance that you will have false limit errors. Read on to see how easy option 2 is to get perfect end stop awareness for your Arduino based CNC machines & Printers, Wether you are using a reprap style printer or a cnc router or other cnc tool like the open source shapeoko(2). Limits switches or 'end stops' as they are known to the 3D printing community can be troublesome for Hobby CNC and 3D print setups. I had a similar problem, grbl would stop when I started one of the NEMA 17 motors. I changed my limit switches cables for shielded ones, rerouted limit cables away from the stepper and spindle cables. ALARM 9 – EXEC_ALARM_HOMING_FAIL_APPROACH When homing, grbl will not travel further than the values in parameters $130, $131 ,$132 while trying to locate a limit switch. $26 - Homing debounce, milliseconds Whenever a switch triggers, some of them can have electrical/mechanical noise that actually 'bounce' the signal high and low for a few milliseconds before settling in. I have purchased three .47 uf capacitors and I would like to wire up my limit switches as Normally Closed but I am still confused as to whether I need to add anything to achieve this or whether I can just wire my switches directly into the x-controller. Again make sure you practice good wiring methods to minimize external electric noise on … Grbl is an opensource software that turns your Arduino development board into a full blown G-Code interpreter.. Below the layout of the pins on the Arduino board. $130=XXX (x max travel, mm) Make YYY something larger than the machines travel, $131=790.000 (y max travel, mm)Make XXX something larger than the machines travel, $132=110.000 (z max travel, mm)Make XXX something larger than the machines travel, You Can test the limit switches by setting $10=16 (status report mask:00010000). The z axis goes up the limit switch clicks and then there is a grinding noise and an alarm. I've quickly put together an image, can you tell me if this is the right way to connect the capacitors? So they are not a 5V source, they are a weak signal pulled-up to 5V by a resistor - not to be confused with actual 5V source! and i need to install some limit switches on it, but have no clue how to do it. 47 ohms will firmly pull-up the input pin to VCC and prevent induced noise from dragging the pin below the threshold voltage. In short debounce is a software method, which looks at the signal over a short period of time to make sure its stable before acting on any change in state. The arduinos internal pull up resistors will constantly be charging the cap and holding the pins high which is why you don't need to add more. All you need to do for 100% perfect limit switch operation with Zero false triggers is: 3 small capacitors. Not to mention the pain of rewiring the device! However, because of the current limiting resistor, not enough current will flow through the relay and it will switch off. Might be a good idea to first turn down the homing speeds: Once you have validated the homing is all working in the right way you can turn them back up a bit. Where were you grounding the shields of the stepper motors to? If somebody could please let me know what, if anything, I need to do to achieve this, or whether I would be better off with normally open and the 3 capacitors (or not) I would be eternally grateful. 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